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| Ninjadmin |
fucking loads of free pluginshttp://free-plugin-list.com/index...cat=2&os=mac&x=65&y=7
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| J |
i wish i knew how to make music on computers so i could use that stuff 
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| your mum |
me too. I wish I had a decent computer to use them on as well. | ||||
| Moggy |
One of the biggest mistakes i made was filling up my shiny new kick ass studio machine with loads of free plugins with the intention of playing about with them at some point.
Not only have i never used half of them, but a good portion of them are pretty naff. Find yourself a bunch of solid soft-synths and fx plugins and really spend all your time getting to know them inside out. It's the only way your gonna be able to get that sound exactly how you want it, rather than using some free plugin you just want to try out for the hell of it and not being able to get anywhere near to what you want. There are a fair few incredible soft-synths and plugins that are completely free which are worth checking out, will have a look through mine tomorrow and recommend some. Likewise, as unethical as it is, in many cases alot of free plugins just don't touch on a lot of the more complex (and more expensive) pieces of software, which if you have no morals are readily available to download from the right places. I of course, have no morals
(Albeit i have paid for two pieces of software out of my 'collection' - Cubase SX3 since it really is the daddy of sequencers IMO (gonna get round to upgrading to Cubase 4 when i can be bothered) and Stylus RMX, which has to be the best and most original drum and groove synth/plugin there is. It still surprises me after having slaved away learning everything about it. Generally i'd just say if you're gonna buy one piece of software, make it your main sequencer, since reliability issues with cracked versions of various sequencers can cause more problems than it's worth. Been playing with Live 4 for a long time but haven't really bothered getting to know it's ins and outs, even though it's pretty outdated and i've got a copy of live 6 that i still haven't installed. I just don't think it has the same functionality as Cubase when it comes down to actual production, although it does take it away when working on live stuff (duh). |
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| Ninjadmin |
i been spending the last couple of months playing about with live and i think it's a fucking amazing dj tool/ for producing stuff i still cant get enough of acid, it's not popular but it's just instinctive for me. and it does fucking everything
once i get back into making tunes i am going to go back to sony acid, it's the shizznikkler 
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| Moggy |
I just find acid somewhat limiting, likewise with live, although all the improvements and aditions in version 6 are starting to bring it into the more major league sequencers.
I find live is good for sketching out ideas quickly and experimenting about, but it just doesn't come close to the arsenal of tools, etc that cubase has. |
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| hiccup |
I need to get back into doing tunes n stuff. Usually use Cubase VST, Reason 2.5 and NI Battery cos it's tha mad wickedness for drumz.
Got discs for Cubase SX3 and Reason 3, but waiting until I can afford a new PC until I install em. |
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| J |
if a certain person wanted to start pissing around with tunes on a certain medium powered laptop, what particuler programmes would you recomend for a complete beginner and on a totally unrelated matter, do you know what evil websites allow you to purloin these particular programs for no cost? | ||||
| hiccup |
What sort of music do you want to make? Bleepy stuff or hitting a bit of wood and screaming stuff? | ||||
| J |
electronicy things with lots of drums added, kinda like Vitalic maybeh
i cannot play any instruments apart from drums and dont have a clue about what all those F sharps and that means, even though they spent 3 years trying to teach me. does that matter? |
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| hiccup |
Nah, doesn't matter.
I'd get a copy of Reason. Or maybe Acid. Or maybe Ableton. They is cool. Piratebay or torrentspy may be of use. I can send you some Reason discs if you want. |
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| J |
ill download the others off oiratebay, see what theyre like first, but thankyou for the kind offer dear man
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| Moggy |
I guess if you want to start off and want a single straightforward bit of software you can't really go wrong with Reason for learning the ropes about what different bits do. It's a bit limited in a fair few ways but you can still make some good stuff on it. Plus it's suitable for all kinds of music, although if you want to record your own audio and samples i suggest picking up a copy of Recycle too.
Oh and hiccup, change up from Cubase VST to SX3 asap, it's SO much better. I used to use battery all the time for drums and percussion, and still do sometimes, but i can't recommend Spectrasonic's Stylus RMX enough, has totally brought new life into writing drums. You could just download it, but it was probably the best money i spent all year (about £130 i think). Brilliant bit of kit, which even works wonders playing it live too. Plus it's got a sick chaos engine you can program so it'll improvise your drum loops and all sorts of other shit. |
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| J |
thanks
am downlaoding reason now |
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| Moggy |
If anyone wants any PROPER plugins i've probably got well over £10Ks worth of top of the range cracked plugins i could burn to CD/DVD, although you could just download them yourselves 
EDIT: Likewise shit like Reason 3, Live 6, Acid, etc. (albeit not Cubase) |
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| Moggy |
Oh yeah, and if you get stuck with it, there are some decent video tutorials on torrents you can download, or i can send them if you cant find em. |
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| J |
sweet
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| hiccup |
Yeah, I know I should. But this PC is pretty old and knackered and I'm plotting a new one some time soon, so thought I'd just start afresh then. Been looking at soundcards. Quite fancy one of these: http://sounden.terratec.netmodule...News&file=article&sid=197 |
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| Moggy |
That link is teh dead :?
When i was building my machine i was originally thinking terratec or M-Audio due to their generally good reviews, but i'm so glad i put in some extra cash and went with an EMU 1820M (discontinued now though). I'd definitely recommend them after having compared it to some of my mates Terratec and M-Audio cards. Not sure whether EMU are about to release a new card to replace the 1820M (dunno WHY they discontinued it, was top of their range and was one of the best quality cards around matching Pro Tools hardware in terms of it's converters). You after a PCI or USB/Firewire card? |
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| hiccup |
Hmmm, not sure what happened there.
http://sounduk.terratec.net/modul...News&file=article&sid=197 That one seems to work. A PCI card with a front module, or maybe a break out box. Just cos I plug in all sorts of audio sources. |
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| Moggy |
Hmmm, will have to track down some other reviews than the ones listed on the terratec site since there are none there from any of the (what i would call) respectable review sites/magazines. The fact that Sound on Sound don't even have a review of it and it's more than 2 years old is odd. How much have you seen it retailing for? Have had a quick look round a few places and can't even see anywhere selling it.
Either way, i'm still a firm believer in EMU, and most of the people i know who work in the industry are too as far as top of the range cards go (without going into extremely expensive MOTU territory). If you're gonna be juggling a lot of plugs and leads around i'd definitely recommend a card with a breakout box, it would take me forever to plug and unplug stuff otherwise. What sort of budget have you set for the rest of your machine? Building yourself? If you have the money to spare (or save up) i can recommend Redsubmarine Computers - they did an incredible job of both building my design and setting up the machine so it runs straight out the box. They also fine tune all the machines settings to optimise it for music production. Good tech support too. Red Submarine Alternatively if you want to go down the rack mounted PC route it'd be silly not to recommend Carillon. Don't have any personal experience with them but all of their systems have had good write ups and reviews and the few i've seen in action have run really well. Carillon |
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| hiccup |
Those PCs look lush but it's gonna be a general purpose PC as well as for music stuff, so I'll probaby get one from Mesh or somewhere and then stick a soundcard in myself . Looking to spend about £800. Once I've saved up the £800/sold everything I own on ebay.
Not seen any reviews or really shopped around for the terratec card, just liked the look of it really. Can you tell I'm a total amateur? Will definitely check out EMU stuff.
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| Ninjadmin |
i gotta learn cubase, it's on my puter and i learned it about 5 years ago........
my sound card is terratec and it works fine |
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| hiccup |
Which Soundcard is it? |
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| Ninjadmin |
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| J |
downloaded reason now, just gotta work out how to make it work
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| Moggy |
It's pretty straightforward to get the basics going, basically just create a mixer first, then each unit you create after that should wire itself up correctly automatically (this doesn't happen in some cases when you're chaining effects units and stuff).
Press tab to check the back of the rack if you hadn't figured that out 
I presume you've got some kind of midi controller? Otherwise it's gonna be a reet pain in the arse! Oh yeah, had a quick look on this machine and can't see those reason tutorials i've got, think they're probably on my external hard drive, if you need a hand i can try and send them via yousendit or on dvd or something, since they're pretty big. Had a quick look on isohunt too which is where i think i got them and can't find them on there either. |
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| J |
oooh that sounds helpful, but i was meaning about after downloading it from piratebay to getting it working
sorry, was my fault, should have been more spicific! Think ive kinda got it sorted now anyway
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| Moggy |
Ah right, yeah some copies/downloads can be a bitch to get unpacked and pissing around moving files and keygens and shit. | ||||
| J |
ahh fuck me this is tricky, ill try it again tomorrow. |
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| Moggy |
SOME of the torrented downloads (tends to be the smaller ones) just come as a single packed file, that when you open it unpacks/installs everything for you so all you need to do is use the keygen to activate it.
What's the exact problem you're having with it? When i downloaded Reason 3 when it came out the copy i had needed you to burn each of the CDs image files and install like that. Alternatively you could use a program like Daemon Tools which is basically a 'virtual CD/DVD drive' that you can load CD/DVD image files into and it'll make the computer think you've got the actual disks inserted. |
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| J |
yeah thats the thing, usually i only download smaller stuff so it just unpacks it and all is swell. on the comments part on piratebay it said to do this...
i did the set drives thing, but i dont really get what mounting images is all about? do i burn this to a CD after ive done? ive got some keys and can use keygen stuff ok. sorry if this is a bit amatuer/stupid 
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| Moggy |
I don't use power iso, but from what it says, basically if you've got 3 virtual drives set up, you then mount the CD image (.iso i imagine) for each of the 3 reason CDs to each of the drives, so CD 1 to virtual drive 1, etc.
Then run the install program from the first disk, and since it detects all 3 CDs as being in the machine it should install the whole thing without needing to switch disks, etc. Then on running the final .exe file when the whole thing is installed, just use one of the 2 serials mentioned and it should activate the program for use. Shouldn't take too long at all really. |
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| J |
cool, thanks for all your help. got confused and thought that i had to burn it all to cd or something, will go and try it now. |
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| J |
its all working now
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| J |
erm one more stupid question; i go to put a sample in, so click import midi, then go to one of the soundbanks and click that, but its empty :/ do i need to download em from somewhere? | ||||
| Moggy |
Ummmmm what are you trying to put a sample into? All the pieces of kit that play samples (Redrum, NN-XT, etc) all have little load file buttons on them.
If it's all installed properly there should be two main soundbanks in the reason folder, think ones called The Factory Soundbank and the other is eerrr something else (haven't used it in ages!) but i think it's called Orkestra or something. Depending if you're trying to load a sample, patch, rex file, etc only certain files will show up in the folders to correspond with what bit of kit you're trying to load them into. I dunno what you're trying to import midi for though... unless you're trying to import a MIDI part into the sequencer at the bottom? :? |
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| J |
yeah, its when trying to import samples from the soundbanks, going to the "import midi" thing on the file menu. it takes me to the soundbanks, and then a sub-menu depending on which sound you want where its empty. i think it could be to do with the soundbanks being on different drives from the power iso thing so i'll have a play around. |
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| hiccup |
Are you trying to import midi stuff or an audio sample? Different things innit. Which thingy (sampler, sequencer etc) are you trying to import it into?
If it's an audio sample, with the sampler you have to make sure that you're importing a new audio sample not a sampler patch. |
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| J |
got it sorted now, yeah didnt need any midi stuff inthe first place!
fucking hell its amazing, just learnign what all the different buttons do and playing around, can do so much with even one lil sample
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| hiccup |
I like making everything sound all fucked up to hell with the Scream distortion thingy
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| Moggy |
The scream unit is one of the few things i still bother rewiring Reason to use, nothing like some badass noise biznezz
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| hiccup |
True dat
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