new tarrentino film

bob · new tarrentino film

http://www.grindhousemovie.net/ [offline atm]

called grindhouse - the name for theatres which show exploitation films.

it's an anthology, with planet terror starring a woman with a gun for a leg

for those who are a bit slow or can't be bothered seeing the film - plotdetails are here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grindhouse_%28film%29

features a woman with a gun for a leg!

flick

it kind of looks a bit wannabe like everything else he does.

Ninjadmin

i saw some of it on a streaming site, it looks pretty funny, but obviously being tarantino it's not gonna be that surprising, lots of references and cool angles and tarantino dialogue etc

i like him so i reckon it'll be good

bob

wannabe what? there is no arthouse, maaannn.

tarnetino is cool, even my grandfather likes him, and he doesn't like anything.

snouty

random post...

tarantino is cool, but he can't act, and was a dick for using the 'n' word so much in Jackie Brown. he stole all his moves off 'Bonnie and Clyde' and Bruce Lee. I am in love with flick

I have never gone out of my way to see his stuff, but I usually enjoy it when I happen to see it, about 5 years after everyone else, except 'from dusk till dawn' which starts out good, and then the plot is just gone... gone...

he is a clever nerd.

districtline

i haven't seen any of his films

flick

he is a clever nerd wannabe. i think its not so much that i didnt enjoy his movies that ive seen but just that everyone makes out like he's in a league of his own, he's special, original, whatever, when clearly he's not at all, he's a copycat, he just has good taste in stuff to copy is all.

although ill be honest i dont rate his movies that much. yeh witty dialogue blah blah but people say the same about dawsons creek

noone in a tarantino movie has a normal discussion like normal people, every single line is formed to be some quotable bit of wisdom, a little lookatme monologue, and that gets really annoying really quickly. kids like it cos they get to pretend theyre cool by spouting off a carefully memorised bit and yeh usually im all cool with that if its star wars or the breakfast club or whatever. but i feel that when kool kids spout tarantino theyre trying to identify themselves with this ultra violent gangster stuff when really theyre nice white middle class kids, its like the movie quote equivalent of when white boys call each other nigga, and it bugs in that glorifying a dangerous and oppressed lifestyle theyll never have to experience way. and its not even proper gangster stuff, i mean its not like theyre acting out goodfellas, tarantino stuff is so clean and over styled, its fashion gangster and it annoys me.

rantrantrantrantrantrantrantrantrantrant

Ninjadmin

i think that tarantino films are referencing movie gangsters rather than real life gangsters tho

i do like his sense of humour, although you can tell it's becoming a bit forced after 15 years of movies, loads uma thurman's lines in kill bill were cack, but it had some great bits as well, specially sonny chiba (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3F7cdVjzAw) dunno if that bit is nicked off anything but it's class

he isn't as good as people say he is, but i still enjoy all of his films

flick

fair enough, i enjoyed the rant though. i think i resent that everything he does is ultimately empty.

snouty

flick

he does it in all his movies though doesnt he. hes really unaware, for a smart guy.

snouty

let's not talk about tarantino anymore, he's an idiot; let's talk about how beautiful you are

flick

dont pick on me snouty

snouty

I wasn't, I was being sincere. I got bored of tarantino, and far more interested in yr avatar

i thought you knew I really fancy your avatar?

some days, I think I might have to stick gaffer tape down one side of the screen, cos it is distracting...

I watched 'scooby doo 2' and I thought of you when I saw the Velma character. she was gorgeous. sexy, nerdy, speccy girls are IT!

I'm not comin on to you. I just wanted to be nice to you, cos I think you're great

Ninjadmin

the old n word debate

i think it's acceptable to use it referencing blaxploitation films wether you are white or black

people quote movies and songs all the time, and when i was growing up, a lot of the movies and songs i liked were littered with black people saying nigga all the time, it's a big part of pop culture in the last 20 years. if quentin tarantino is going to make films about pop culture then he will include it

exhibit A : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1150-46SxU8

snouty

I once said that word to my mate who is black. I made it very clear beforehand I was quoting something by Richard Pryor, about how he came to drop using that word; I wasn't just bein a dick. Even so, my mate didn't like it, he sez, 'don't use that word around me.' fair enough. I drop that word, even from quotes.

I saw Reginald D Hunter a few months back, and he does still use that word- the title of his show is 'pride and prejudice and n-----' (his previous show was 'a mystery wrapped in a n------' which I think is genius...) He's very funny, and he makes some good points, but I still think Pryor was right.

snouty

blah blah blah

Ninjadmin

black guy i know in the toon was totally cool with it, he'd come round and be all like "whatsup ma niggaz?"

it's all how you say stuff, and the intention, not the word imo i just think if you are taking the piss out of a film noone should be offended just cos you're white

nigga please

snouty

i dunno. I just think it's an ugly word. not a pretty word. much blood has been spilled over that word of many races. yeah, it's a personal choice. my mate says though, 'what does it say about your respect for yourself, for your race, for your culture & for your history if [you are black and] you use that word?' I tend to agree...

Ninjadmin

i just think like anything, if you make a word unsayable you give it power

i read somewhere today that the word 'Queer' was banned from a gay pride march by the cops because it was offensive. a lot of well meaning shit is counter productive

it is a tricky one, but i think people saying nigga imitating a load of films and hip hop songs is quite low down the list of problems for anybody, black people included

flick

snouty

yep, exactly.

flick

it wouldve kind of missed the point eh

Ninjadmin

flick

reclaiming that word was intended to be subversive and political. this sort of thing is why i dont go in for reclaiming words because it's too easy to bury the point and for nothing much to change at all.

Ninjadmin

well i don't go in for banning words either....

flick

noone banned it though, people have said they choose not use it and think its stupid and sad when they hear other people use it.

free speech is a two way street ninj. you want to defend using it thats up to you but you cant call free speech while shutting down people who disagree.

Ninjadmin

Ninjadmin

i don't wanna shut anyone down, tho, i'm just disagreeing

flick

sorry ninj, i was wrong

it's not my fault, i am just a girl

Ninjadmin

flick

youre a bad bad man

bob · bollox

bollox

cos tarrintino has captured imaginations more than almost anyone. that must be a skill.

false film consciousness my ****

bob

infact: i will go as far as to say that the film role in the artisic pantheon, is to capture imagination [cowboys and indians]. as such tarrintino is one of the best.

and no-one explained what he wants-to-be.

edited for stupid play on the word "flick"

Ninjadmin

nigga please

bob

briefly: movies are essentially a medium of moving images. the mirror stage of psychosocial devlopement is how the imaginary part of our psyche emerges. therefore the essential role of movies is to engage the imagination [not saying that all other psychological ascpects of a movie are disposable tho, just less essential].

herman

hi all,

justa quickie. Agree with the criticism of Tarantino offered by flick, she hit the nail firmly on the head. Tarantino is influenced by grindhouse cinema, he references much of it in Kill Bill. He is a massive fan of Italian genre cinema, then again who aint.

Trouble with Tarantino is he is far too great a director to do what he sets out to- ie recreate grindhouse (ie cult and genre films). Instead of homage his films almost come across as parody. For a more sympathetic approach check out Rob Zombie (House of 1000 corpses and Devils Rejects). Both films wear their influences on their sleeve.

snouty

a random thought on the n word debate- after Bernard Manning died, I made a joke on one forum, 'I'm disappointed because now I won't be able to pitch channel four my idea for a racist cookery show- 'Bernard Manning's N Word.'

I really wasn't sure if that was a dubious joke or not- I added a disclaimer like, 'since they seem so keen on bringing racism to the screen'...

I just don't know. Am I getting a frisson out of the very thing that Manning did in his comedy? I mean, Manning was the target of the joke, but... anyway, that's what happened. any thoughts on this appreciated. maybe I am just too sensitive...

herman

where is the rolleyes smiley when you need it.

Look, Manning was a fat racist he is dead now and maybe using a bit more landfill than most but dont worry about saying stuff.

Lets turn this on its head. If you will not use the word nigger for fear of upsetting black people then arent you just patronising black people?

Funny enough my missus earlier was telling me about a black coleague who the boss would not be honest with for fear of being accused of racial descrimination. Now that sucks.

So if you think of using the word nigger (or N word) and don't because it may upset some people then does that make you a better person? I personally don't think it would.

If you feel the urge to say something along the line of "out of my way nigger" then you should say it. it would hopefully earn you a smack in the mouth but at least you would get that for your honesty, far better than thinking something and not saying ( that would make you both a racist and a liar).

This may not be an orthadox view on the subject, but ive come across to much soft soaping of colleagues who are black that is combined with whispering nignog in the canteen,

For me those who will not say what they think are no better than the forelock tuggers.

If you find a term offensive then dont use it,.

Britain is an authoritarian country , every time we walk about town we are viewed by 100s of cameras. Our phone calls are monitored. At times our phones are tapped. At the end of the day all we have left is our thoughts.

So if we thinking that saying the word nigger or other racist terms are cool I'd rather hear it out loud than think that someone is thinking something then say another.

I hope people get my drift. A holocaust was not based just on Nazism but a population that didnt speak up, or speak their mind.

BTW the bernard manning joke was shite

Ninjadmin

herman talks some serious sense

bob

herman makes me laugh but confuses me.

herman

the point i was driving at was if you police your language just for fear of causing offence (self censorship) then you lie to yourself and others. I am sure there are tons of people in Britain who are politely not using the N word in company but sticking an X in the BNP box at election times.

bob

really?!

herman

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