spidey 3

flick · spidey 3

is fucking wicked btw

so i went on friday and im gonna go again later this week, taking the kids this time. the three different bad guys dont distract from each other too much because you already know harry, so its only sandman and venom that need introducing. you do feel sorry for the sandman dude because he mainly just seems confused and a bit traumatised. the scene where he gets his powers is excellent. theres no explanation as to where the symbiote comes from except 'from space', and it conveniently finds peter parker within minutes. then it hangs around in his room for days doing nothing, for no apparent reason. having a sleep maybe? but once its attached the black suit looks excellent. parker doesnt go so much evil as cocky, proper arrogant and sleazy, but its funny to watch him dancing down the street like an idiot. his hair looks terrible though :?

he does do some dark stuff, like he totally goes for harry, beating the shit out of him then walking away after chucking one of the exploding pumpkin bombs in his face. he also goes for mary jane, chucking her down on the floor. the scene where parker rips the symbiote off him is excellent. eddie brock is a cocky and annoying character till he becomes venom. gwen stacey is just some a blond girl hanging around being dippy. mary jane is going from harry to pete and back as usual. harry is quite cool in 3, having been dull and whiny as fuck through the other two, he finally becomes likeable in this one. and j jonah jameson gets more comedy scenes which the kids in the cinema all seemed to love.

it was good enough to get a clap at the end which is always a good sign, but it wasnt like standing applause or nowt. there was a lot of happy laughter at the jokes and the dancing, and a lot of very loud gasping at the fight and chase scenes. its definitely a cinema movie, which doesnt mean its got no story and its all about the cgi, but it does look spectacular and it would be a shame to only experience that on the small screen.

anyway i only wanted to write something quick to say i loved it. i loved it

anyone see 28 weeks later yet?

bristle-krs

so, don't hold back, don't be coy:

did you like it or not?

flick

LOVED IT!!!!

Ninjadmin

i might go and see this tonight, the other teachers said it was rubbish :?

flick

yeh but since when did teachers know anything about anything.

Ninjadmin

some teachers are pretty cool

like me

Soreenkid

I didn't like the first two so I won't bother

bahumbug

ernestolynch

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Ninjadmin

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bristle-krs

flick

sorry

Ninjadmin

ernestolynch

ernestolynch

Motherfuck.........enable HTML tags now!

bristle-krs

plank... i.t. teacher, clearly

Ninjadmin

enabling html leaves us open to all sorts of shit

ernestolynch

flick

Soreenkid

doesn't leave us open to shit but myfreeforum, its their boards

Ninjadmin

nah, former poster yourmum showed me what you can do, put viruses straight onto computers, or just make insane noises come out of them

flick

really? how?

Ninjadmin

i dunno, he was a computer programmer or systems analyst or something so he knew all that stuff

flick

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Ninjadmin

cheered me up anyway

flick

i saw spidey again yesterday

Ninjadmin

i'm going to watch it tomorrow

flick

whats wrong with going today?

Ninjadmin

it's 1am here

flick

when do the cinemas open?

Ninjadmin

i dunno

flick

you should be in bed young man!

Ninjadmin

i dunno

flick

what time is it now?

Ninjadmin

i dunno:D

Ninjadmin

just seen it, i thought it was fucking class

sandman and venom were fucking ace, the battles were class, bit of a shit way for venom to die, but there was no way spiderman could have really beaten him, loved the jokes as well, specially when he's out on the streets sleazing on all the models

best of the three

flick

he's not really dead, is the way im looking at it. usually to get venom down what they do is use soundwaves to split them, then capture them seperately.

anyway its a comics based movie which means there is ALWAYS a way to bring characters back from the supposed dead

what did you think of harry? i thought this was his best movie.

Ninjadmin

his best friend? definetely the best for him, he wasn't really a major character in the other two tho, he was still a bit of a pussy, but i thought he was really good in this one

Spoiler:

i also thought it was funny that kirsten dunst kept getting fired cos she really is shit at singing

flick

yeh i agree with you.

its hard to like mary jane isnt it? gwen was a total dippy blonde stereotype as well. it was a great movie but sam raimi doesnt really get women.

are there any superhero movies that have been directed by women?

flick

http://www.moviesbywomen.com/

theres some video podcasts on there with women directors and one of them is with joey lauren adams.

Ninjadmin

to be fair to sam raimi the original comics are the same

underworld was a good female superhero film, dunno who directed it tho

flick

underworld was awful! youre right about the comics though. the worst one was whatsherface out of the fantastic four, what a drip. the xmen women are usually pretty good though.

american psycho was directed by a woman! im well surprised by that.

so was the appalling bewitched. i spose that could sort of count as a superhero movie, i mean shes got super powers hasnt she. thats the only thing i noticed on that list.

Ninjadmin

i loved underworld me, aristocratic vampire babes vs junkie werewolves, what's not to like :?

the woman who directed american psycho is this proper mumsy british woman as well

all the original superhero comics are aimed at geeky teenage boys, hence peter parker and clark kent being such doylums

i was quite impressed with the way he made peter parker so likeable in the films, specially in that one. toby macguire got the geek perfectly

bristle-krs

flick

peter parker is likeable in the comics, i always really liked him. course im a geek but whatever. as for clark - personally ive always been marvel over dc. and supes is just the lamest character. but lois is kinda cool.

i still think the xmen comics are pretty good for women characters. eta - thats one of the most disappointing things about the movies, theyr eally fucked up rogue and storm for a start. gambit being missing was another fuckup imo.

Ninjadmin

they are both likeable, kind of honourable hardworking kids, but superheroes who keep it a secret piss me off cos they always suffer so much, like in the movies he must have been going out with her for years but they never seem to get jiggy

the women in xmen rocked, i'd definetely go out with mystique

flick

bristle-krs

Ninjadmin

no comment

flick

ive been reading round the spidey reviews before i write my own, but theres stuff that is really bugging me and im beginning to wonder if im imagining things cos noone else is mentioning them.

like, for example, the symbiote. to me the whole symbiote/black suit thing is a blatant metaphor for drug use and ultimate addiction. does anyone else see that or is it completely in my imagination? it just seems so obvious but its lack of mention is making me doubt my own reading of it. but im a fucking huge venom fan and have been for years so ive had plenty of time to think about it.. is refused reading this? would appreciate input!

flick

i mean look at the way parker responds to the suit. first time he wears it it totally increases all his powers, gives him this gigantic rush. he has to hide it away in a suitcase to resist it. as things in his life get worse, as he gets more desperate, he takes it out from hiding and turns to wearing the symbiote for extra strength. he starts wearing it all the time, under his everyday clothes. it allows him to do things he wouldnt usually do, like kill his enemies. his professor tries to warn him of its dangers but he deliberately ignores him. his aunt warns him of his behaviour but he ignores her too. he doesnt tell anyone about the suit, keeps it totally secret. he gets edgier and edgier, the buzz he got initially is wearing off and he's deliberately out looking for trouble. remembering (if youre into comics...) that the symbiote itself feeds off emotions, so it needs to push peter into increasingly intense situations to get the emotional responses it wants, then presumably it rewards him with a buzz, the feeling of extra power, and it stops him from caring so much what other people think, or feel. he gets proper cocky, and he's so confident he dances right down a busy street, oblivious to the fact that anyone might be watching him. he does humiliate eddie brock, but the really major thing isnt so much that he does that, but that he clearly enjoys it. he humiliates gwen, uses her to get at mary jane, then he humiliates mary jane and attacks her too. he also humiliates harry, says cruel things to him that he never would usually say, then he explodes his best mate and walks away smiling. his conscience seems to have taken a holiday and his behaviour is totally unpredictable and extreme. also, when hes wearing the suit under his clothes, he keeps reaching for it, touching his chest, checking its there, stroking it. this is all really blatant fall into drug addiction stuff, isnt it?

flick

more searching turns up a review by another woman that sees what i see

http://www.quazen.com/Arts/Movies/Spiderman-3--Fun-but-Flawed.25925

thank fuck for that. im not insane and i dont have to throw away my venom comics.

flick

sorry for multiple posts.. now i kind of get why people are whining about the dancing scenes. like if you dont see the drug metaphor then of course those bits are just gonna look totally daft. i mean who dances down the street to their own music? um... i know i fucking have. and that whole jazz club scene.. i mean hes just acting like any fucking arrogant full of it i own this fucking place coked up nutter, except hes not just anyone, he's spiderman and can do more mental stuff so of course his behaviour is gonna be even more exaggerated.

it is possible that people who didnt read the comics didnt get the effect the suit had on him. although there is a whole scene devoted to him swinging about going "i feel good!!!!" . or maybe its that they havent done drugs or been around people who do drugs. but its so blatant!! he looks wired!!!

Ninjadmin

i thought the symbiote was just the dark side

it was cool cos peter parker is a character who doesn't have a dark side, he's a perfect person, it was fucking annoying how he always had lots of girls in love with him but he was too sweet to do anything about it till he got the stbiote

i spose you could say it was a metaphor for drugs, but it's more just a metaphor for selfishness

flick

peter parker isnt perfect, hes just a normal guy. hes a total geek in school, gets bullied for years by the popular kids. his parents are both dead and hes raised by his quite elderly aunt and uncle in a little house. when he moves out he mostly lives in bedsits and he does a bunch of crummy jobs just like everyone else does before he goes freelance at the bugle. he's not really good (superman style) or really bad. his only real talent (spider skills aside) is that he's smart and really good at science. the whole point of the peter parker character is that he's just an average guy, maybe a bit geekier than most. girls dont fall for him either, not until theyve been friends for years and years. mostly his women friends go out with assholes. for ages peter parker is like the guy doomed to watch the girls he fancies go out with dicks while they tell him he's their 'best friend'.

Ninjadmin

oh yeah i agree with that, which is why i was a bit pissed off that they put it in the movies that he got together with MJ and she knew that he was spiderman, one of the main parts of his character is that he is this really cool superhero, but he has such a shit time at work and never gets the girl

but as an observer we can see that he is a real hero, he works his arse off trying to be a scientist and a photographer and then goes and works his arse off as spiderman in his free time and never claims any credit for it

flick

yeh. i like peter parker loads. like if you think about most of the other marvel/dc style superheroes, he's the one i find easiest to understand or relate to. spidey is one of the most popular characters ever so clearly im not the only person who is feeling that.

people complain theres no depth to spidey stories but there is. like they complain stuff isnt realistic but it is. i saw someone complain that theres too many coincidences, but when you think about it, life is like that, stuff just happens. some people want cinema to be so 'real' that it just isnt anymore.

Ninjadmin

some of the bits in spidey 3 did have me laughing how unlikely they were tho

like an escaped convict happened to run into a particle machine which happened to turn him into sandman

and the evil alien force that created venom as well, so that was just an evil alien force that arrived on meteor :?

flick

yeh but that stuff is proper comic book. i mean if those coincidences didnt happen then there wouldnt be any superheroes and villains, would there. there would be nothing to talk about. spiderman would be like this:

peter parker goes to visit some spider exhibit. nothing happens. he keeps getting picked on in school. the end.

what did you think of that whole sandman bit? it was so sad! looked amazing too. i did wonder why the locket didnt get broken down too but my partner reckons its cos its made of metal. theres some site that deals with the science in movies, im gonna look for the link.

flick

i think im looking for a different one but this is a good start:

intuitor insultingly stupid movie physics

heres their write up of the first Spiderman

Ninjadmin

i went to an exhibition last year which was star wars and science trying to explain how the fuck a lightsabre or the death star beam could work

i thought sandman did ok by the end of it, he still got to live and keep his powers and he probably won't rob anyone again

flick

course he will keep robbing. i think he will try not to hurt anyone though. you can imagine him flying off to find solitude by the sea somewhere and come to terms with himself. he'd make a good hero. whats he like in the comics? i never read a sandman story.

flick

another movie science link http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/movies/

Ninjadmin

i never heqrd of sandman before the movie,

do you remember the superhero Concrete who used to fly about philosophising about fucking everything?

flick

no, are you making him up?

flick

http://www.weisshahn.de/concrete/series.htm

never seen him before. you didnt like him then?

Ninjadmin

flick

he looks a bit like the snowman.

Ninjadmin

it's like the thing from fantastic four moaning on for hours

flick

ive never been into them.

snouty

flick

must... not... talk... about... other... boards...

flick

h to the i to the b to the e to the e

:smt051

Ninjadmin

A to the motherfuckin K

flick

oooh check you out rebelling against your own rules

Ninjadmin

it's a cypress hill song

flick

its a blatant dig

bristle-krs