what is your opinion on

bob · what is your opinion on

i don't mean like shit music - i mean cheesy music. cheesy dnb e.g., a bit weirdly jazzy - that sort of thing. IYSWIM

Ninjadmin

i love the hospital records stuff and the brazilian stuff which is kind of cheesy. but i hate the really cheesy stuff

i'm quite a big fan of catchy choruses tho,

bob

yeah hospital can be well cheesy. it's like the antithesis of hardcore punk

IME

bob

i used to listen to rob d banks easy listening show, religiously. he did a sengement called cheesy or baleric - where listeners would have to vote if a tune he picks is cheesy or not. i reckon the key was - all cheese is baleric. it's just kinda relaxing.

bob

the poll is too difficult tho - somewhre between always relaxing and can be cool.

Ninjadmin

i think a lot of people get it wrong

the cheesiest drumnbass in the world is not hospital or john b just cos they use a lot of house samples, what i would call cheese is shit like dillinja and mampi swift who just make it by numbers

bob

dilinja

'Bass in the face'. He can be fun tho - he's just a bit dim probably.

bob

how do you identify a house sample then?

Ninjadmin

you can tell house sample cos they use vocoders (that effect daft punk used on all their songs with singing in) or violin sort of stuff. you know what i mean bob, the bits with dudes singing and 70s guitar samples etc

the really depressing thing about dillinja and swift is that if you listen to what they were making 10 years ago it is a lotmore futuristic than what they make now

bob

all the liquid funk samples then. i only ever used to go to hard house, which i don't really remember being very laid back.

Ninjadmin

hard house was just slow gabba

i thought it was ok, but it was kind of boring for me, all that flat beat stuf didn't ever get me

bob

i still hear it sometimes "on campus" - and think - christ that's hard

Ninjadmin

http://www.soundclick.com/bands/s...?bandID=230519&songID=5544308

heres a song much harder than hard house

bob

beginning reminds me of that underwater love song. i'm not sure my system can handle it. breakcore or whatever seems to be to be a bit ironic tho in it's hardness.

bob

too much syncopation to be sustained-hardness. i dunno tho it's not like i'm a musician.

Ninjadmin

what does syncopation mean?

bob

well, usually it means a missed beat - but i meant just that a break or whatever isn't used for a long stretch of the music. tbh that's what annoyed me about breakcore when i first heard it - that they wouldn't use a gabba break for more than a few seconds. wimps

Ninjadmin

that's what i love about it, you can't get bored cos it changes every 3 seconds

here is a gabba tune i made bob (i hope you don't mind me subjecting you to my back catalogue

http://www.soundclick.com/bands/s...?bandID=230519&songID=4488315

bob

hey that's cool - sounds like you're exprimenting with the dark side

bob

yeah i like how you bring in or whatever new breaks. should be more repetitive tho IMO.

Ninjadmin

thing is, same as with hiphop, i could just make 1000 tunes like that, i want to make something that noone has done before

bob

bob

imo [i go on about my theories of aesthetics too much already tbh] but that's about 'music' and not 'aesthetics', which is something that will just pass me by until if i learn to write stuff.

bob

in the way that i can say that land mass photos can be a bit dull cos i have taken photos YSWIM.

bob

if its quite analogoes, then you've just gotta beat the right place at the right time with enough technical skill

bob

i guess what i'm intersted in is in what way do you want to do something new - a new genre of music. i dunno what a genre really is - so i cannot advise

Ninjadmin

i remeber when i was around eurpoe and i had about 4 rolls of film and then this dude pointed out to me that all the photos i took have been done by professionals

bob

the cleverst photo i took was of a bat cave in mexico - at dusk all the bats [like loads] come streaming down and out the cave. but i didn't have the skills to actually make a picture out of it and it was just a picture of darkness with "2 or 3" blurs.

really annoyed me that - so much so that i hardly even looked thru my photos and certainly didn't show manyone any of them.

bob